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		<title>By: Laura M. Brotherson</title>
		<link>http://strengtheningmarriage.com/blog/marriage/the-good-girl-syndrome#comment-1757</link>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 04 Oct 2009 01:16:32 +0000</pubDate>
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Hi Xenon,



In reply to your August 19th comment -- I&#039;m a big fan of 12-step programs as I believe they help someone get to the spiritual angle of our mortal weaknesses. I certainly think a 12-step program could be helpful to any struggle we might have, but I almost wonder if there would need to be a dedicated 12-step program for sexual inhibition issues such as the Good Girl Syndrome (GGS). (I&#039;m trying to imagine how it would work for someone to attend an Overeater&#039;s Anonymous meeting, for instance, with GGS issues?)



I think people can overcome the GGS in the same ways they do any other mental reprogramming (cognitive restructuring). Challenging negative and unproductive beliefs can be done verbally through therapy or I encourage people to get a notebook and start identifying the beliefs and replacing them with positive and more productive beliefs.</description>
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<p>Hi Xenon,</p>
<p>In reply to your August 19th comment &#8212; I&#8217;m a big fan of 12-step programs as I believe they help someone get to the spiritual angle of our mortal weaknesses. I certainly think a 12-step program could be helpful to any struggle we might have, but I almost wonder if there would need to be a dedicated 12-step program for sexual inhibition issues such as the Good Girl Syndrome (GGS). (I&#8217;m trying to imagine how it would work for someone to attend an Overeater&#8217;s Anonymous meeting, for instance, with GGS issues?)</p>
<p>I think people can overcome the GGS in the same ways they do any other mental reprogramming (cognitive restructuring). Challenging negative and unproductive beliefs can be done verbally through therapy or I encourage people to get a notebook and start identifying the beliefs and replacing them with positive and more productive beliefs.</p>
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		<title>By: ofy53</title>
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		<dc:creator>ofy53</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Sep 2009 22:15:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>JustMe:



Your reference to thebyuboard is not one that I would necessarily recommend.  You have students with very little experience in Church leadership/background giving opinions about something that is not easily addressed by quoting obscure letters, which are not intended to be doctrine.  



If the Brethren were truly concerned enough about the issue of oral sex, don&#039;t you think that it would be an issue that they would continue to preach about?  I.e. pornography?  Either it is an abomination, or it is not.  Other than that, it is left up to the couple to decide.  



For what it is worth, Brother Brinley has a strong opinion about oral sex - he has hung his hat on the those letters and tried to pass them off as doctrine.  In his book, Between Husband and Wife, the first printings had a reference in the index to oral sex.  When you turned to the page mentioned in the index it went to the Chapter on Drawing The Line (or unholy practices), but never mentioned oral sex!  Now, if you look at current printings of the book, you will not find any references in the index to oral sex.  Why is that? 



I have heard of Stake Presidents who preached to their Stakes that oral sex was a sin, only to come back to their Stake a few weeks later and withdraw their comments - telling them that they were out of line with their comments. 



Furthermore, some of the advice given in some of those letters talks about &quot;if your are uncomfortable enough to ask about a practice then it would be wise to discontinue the practice (paraphrased)&quot;.  As Laura, or other professional counselors will tell you, this can cause more problems rather than helping.  That is what the whole GGS is about - people who have unhealthy guilt trips, largely due to prior experiences and teachings.  Suppose someone were taught by their parents, or a leader, that the missionary position is the only acceptable position for sex?  Any other position that their spouse wanted to try would be considered wrong and would cause problems within the marriage bed.  By telling this person that because they are troubled with the question of having sex in something other than the missionary position, then they should probably not try them, would be wrong.  It would just validate their own wrong conditioning and create more of a wedge in their relationship.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>JustMe:</p>
<p>Your reference to thebyuboard is not one that I would necessarily recommend.  You have students with very little experience in Church leadership/background giving opinions about something that is not easily addressed by quoting obscure letters, which are not intended to be doctrine.  </p>
<p>If the Brethren were truly concerned enough about the issue of oral sex, don&#8217;t you think that it would be an issue that they would continue to preach about?  I.e. pornography?  Either it is an abomination, or it is not.  Other than that, it is left up to the couple to decide.  </p>
<p>For what it is worth, Brother Brinley has a strong opinion about oral sex &#8211; he has hung his hat on the those letters and tried to pass them off as doctrine.  In his book, Between Husband and Wife, the first printings had a reference in the index to oral sex.  When you turned to the page mentioned in the index it went to the Chapter on Drawing The Line (or unholy practices), but never mentioned oral sex!  Now, if you look at current printings of the book, you will not find any references in the index to oral sex.  Why is that? </p>
<p>I have heard of Stake Presidents who preached to their Stakes that oral sex was a sin, only to come back to their Stake a few weeks later and withdraw their comments &#8211; telling them that they were out of line with their comments. </p>
<p>Furthermore, some of the advice given in some of those letters talks about &#8220;if your are uncomfortable enough to ask about a practice then it would be wise to discontinue the practice (paraphrased)&#8221;.  As Laura, or other professional counselors will tell you, this can cause more problems rather than helping.  That is what the whole GGS is about &#8211; people who have unhealthy guilt trips, largely due to prior experiences and teachings.  Suppose someone were taught by their parents, or a leader, that the missionary position is the only acceptable position for sex?  Any other position that their spouse wanted to try would be considered wrong and would cause problems within the marriage bed.  By telling this person that because they are troubled with the question of having sex in something other than the missionary position, then they should probably not try them, would be wrong.  It would just validate their own wrong conditioning and create more of a wedge in their relationship.</p>
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		<title>By: Morguerat</title>
		<link>http://strengtheningmarriage.com/blog/marriage/the-good-girl-syndrome#comment-1742</link>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 24 Sep 2009 19:35:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I would suggest, firstly getting some professional help, despite love, and intellectual understanding about love and appropriate expressions, if you aren&#039;t comfortable with it because of the actions of another, you need to get some help. As the verse in Corinthians says, No man will be tempted above that which he is able to bear, but God will prepare a way for you to escape it. It sucks to find out exactly how much we can bear. It&#039;s incredibly painful and hurts us in ways we can&#039;t imagine. But if we seek His help, we&#039;ll be OK.



As for the problems with orgasm, I suggest becoming more familiar with your body and your orgasm with your husband. Laura&#039;s book has some great suggestions, and a trip to spencers gifts in most malls can also procure &quot;marital aids&quot; aka a vibrator. I would suggest trying them with your husband, if he&#039;s open to it, and trying to achieve orgasm on a regular basis.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I would suggest, firstly getting some professional help, despite love, and intellectual understanding about love and appropriate expressions, if you aren&#8217;t comfortable with it because of the actions of another, you need to get some help. As the verse in Corinthians says, No man will be tempted above that which he is able to bear, but God will prepare a way for you to escape it. It sucks to find out exactly how much we can bear. It&#8217;s incredibly painful and hurts us in ways we can&#8217;t imagine. But if we seek His help, we&#8217;ll be OK.</p>
<p>As for the problems with orgasm, I suggest becoming more familiar with your body and your orgasm with your husband. Laura&#8217;s book has some great suggestions, and a trip to spencers gifts in most malls can also procure &#8220;marital aids&#8221; aka a vibrator. I would suggest trying them with your husband, if he&#8217;s open to it, and trying to achieve orgasm on a regular basis.</p>
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		<title>By: mountain1girl</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 23 Sep 2009 21:15:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I have a question that is less about the GGS and more about how to overcome past bad experiences with sex. Before I was married, a man I deeply cared about was sexually inappropriate with me, more than once. Now, I still have issues about what happened and it affects how I feel about having sex with my husband. Specifically, I don&#039;t like to be touched in ways that are supposed to stimulate a woman&#039;s sex drive. This is partly because I am afraid it will hurt, because when I was first married, my husband and I had a hard time &quot;getting used&quot; to each other (this was resolved after I had a baby and loosened up a bit in that area) and I got a urinary tract &amp; yeast infections that I didn&#039;t know what they were- consequently I didn&#039;t treat them right away so sex was very, very painful. Also, I was completely unprepared for female orgasm and it freaked me out a lot when it happened when we were first married- I was embarrased about the fact that something was happening to my body over which I had no control, and as it was happening, I wanted to cry and make it stop. Consequently, now that I have learned more about it and know that it is ok, and that I am not just being electrocuted, my brain will not allow me to have it again, even though I want it. 



Has anyone else had any experiences like this that they have been able to overcome?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have a question that is less about the GGS and more about how to overcome past bad experiences with sex. Before I was married, a man I deeply cared about was sexually inappropriate with me, more than once. Now, I still have issues about what happened and it affects how I feel about having sex with my husband. Specifically, I don&#8217;t like to be touched in ways that are supposed to stimulate a woman&#8217;s sex drive. This is partly because I am afraid it will hurt, because when I was first married, my husband and I had a hard time &#8220;getting used&#8221; to each other (this was resolved after I had a baby and loosened up a bit in that area) and I got a urinary tract &amp; yeast infections that I didn&#8217;t know what they were- consequently I didn&#8217;t treat them right away so sex was very, very painful. Also, I was completely unprepared for female orgasm and it freaked me out a lot when it happened when we were first married- I was embarrased about the fact that something was happening to my body over which I had no control, and as it was happening, I wanted to cry and make it stop. Consequently, now that I have learned more about it and know that it is ok, and that I am not just being electrocuted, my brain will not allow me to have it again, even though I want it. </p>
<p>Has anyone else had any experiences like this that they have been able to overcome?</p>
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		<title>By: morpherson</title>
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		<dc:creator>morpherson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 22 Sep 2009 17:23:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>O.K. Last night was my first night on the couch (self banished.) I have been struggling with GGS and my wife well I guess since we have been married, but I have been actively trying to work on it with her for the last couple of years. I think we entered marriage pretty sexually illiterate and we have struggled. While there are many issues in our life that we are working on, this has been the greatest chasm between us. As for a little background, my beautiful wife is S. American hispanic so if it isn&#039;t in Spanish, I have a hard time getting her to read it or even read it with her. During her time as a missionary her parents passed away. I met her a couple of years after her mission, while serving my own. At any rate, after my mission I returned twice to my area, bringing her home with me on my second trip. We have been married 11 years. I do love her deeply. I have gotten to the point though that I am tired of desiring her. Of the handful of times I try to initiate intimacy with her a month, she may allow it once. If I try to talk with her about it, she gets very defensive and while I am not in her shoes I try to make sure that I am not talking down to her. She feels that if she doesn&#039;t have the desire than I should be able to control myself. Ok, I understand your point but...Your right I can control myself. Regarding her desire, it is all about her. I don&#039;t know if I&#039;m lucky or not but she has never had a problem reaching an orgasm. But she doesn&#039;t really actively participate in the act. She lays there directing traffic. If I ask for a different position or candles or even more sex she basically states that she isn&#039;t a prostitute. How can I argue with that I Guess? There are probably some cultural issues but I can&#039;t see them when visiting with her family. They seem with their respective spouses fairly open amoung them. I am not sure that posting here is the best move but, I could really use some suggestions. Even a starting place would be helpful.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>O.K. Last night was my first night on the couch (self banished.) I have been struggling with GGS and my wife well I guess since we have been married, but I have been actively trying to work on it with her for the last couple of years. I think we entered marriage pretty sexually illiterate and we have struggled. While there are many issues in our life that we are working on, this has been the greatest chasm between us. As for a little background, my beautiful wife is S. American hispanic so if it isn&#8217;t in Spanish, I have a hard time getting her to read it or even read it with her. During her time as a missionary her parents passed away. I met her a couple of years after her mission, while serving my own. At any rate, after my mission I returned twice to my area, bringing her home with me on my second trip. We have been married 11 years. I do love her deeply. I have gotten to the point though that I am tired of desiring her. Of the handful of times I try to initiate intimacy with her a month, she may allow it once. If I try to talk with her about it, she gets very defensive and while I am not in her shoes I try to make sure that I am not talking down to her. She feels that if she doesn&#8217;t have the desire than I should be able to control myself. Ok, I understand your point but&#8230;Your right I can control myself. Regarding her desire, it is all about her. I don&#8217;t know if I&#8217;m lucky or not but she has never had a problem reaching an orgasm. But she doesn&#8217;t really actively participate in the act. She lays there directing traffic. If I ask for a different position or candles or even more sex she basically states that she isn&#8217;t a prostitute. How can I argue with that I Guess? There are probably some cultural issues but I can&#8217;t see them when visiting with her family. They seem with their respective spouses fairly open amoung them. I am not sure that posting here is the best move but, I could really use some suggestions. Even a starting place would be helpful.</p>
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		<title>By: JustMe</title>
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		<dc:creator>JustMe</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 21 Sep 2009 19:34:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>caehevanras,



The Church gives guidelines but will not specifically tell everyone what is right or wrong.  Some of the guidelines in this case are that intimacy between husband and wife is good and is an important part of the relationship, and that interactions between spouses should be uplifting and edifying.



With those general guidelines, the decision to participate in oral sex is completely between you and your wife.  If you and your wife both agree that this practice strengthens your love and does not detract from your relationship, I believe it is acceptable.  If either of you are concerned about it, you should refrain.  Neither spouse should ever coerce or force the other to do anything that they do not want to do.



You can read other interesting comments at this link, and the internet is full of debate about this....



http://theboard.byu.edu/?area=viewall&amp;id=6853</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>caehevanras,</p>
<p>The Church gives guidelines but will not specifically tell everyone what is right or wrong.  Some of the guidelines in this case are that intimacy between husband and wife is good and is an important part of the relationship, and that interactions between spouses should be uplifting and edifying.</p>
<p>With those general guidelines, the decision to participate in oral sex is completely between you and your wife.  If you and your wife both agree that this practice strengthens your love and does not detract from your relationship, I believe it is acceptable.  If either of you are concerned about it, you should refrain.  Neither spouse should ever coerce or force the other to do anything that they do not want to do.</p>
<p>You can read other interesting comments at this link, and the internet is full of debate about this&#8230;.</p>
<p><a href="http://theboard.byu.edu/?area=viewall&#038;id=6853" rel="nofollow">http://theboard.byu.edu/?area=viewall&#038;id=6853</a></p>
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		<title>By: caehevanras</title>
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		<dc:creator>caehevanras</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 21 Sep 2009 17:49:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi, I am a married man, active member of the Mormon church. I suppose that the author of this site is an active member of hte church. Well, I would like to ask something. First of all, I hava never been instructed about sexual matters, whether in the church or family. I really have lots of doubts, but can&#039;t find answers.

Recently I have sought for some informations about the matter and found something the first presidency taught some time ago:



&quot;The First Presidency has interpreted oral sex as constituting an unnatural, impure, or unholy practice. If a person is engaged in a practice which troubles him enough to ask about it, he should discontinue it.&quot;

- Official Declaration of the First Presidency of the Church, January 5th, 1982



I heard that it was unvalidated 9 months later. I would like to know if you can help me to have correct information about it. If you don&#039;t feel like providing answers on this blog, please, email me: caehevanras@yahoo.com.br



Thanks a lot.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi, I am a married man, active member of the Mormon church. I suppose that the author of this site is an active member of hte church. Well, I would like to ask something. First of all, I hava never been instructed about sexual matters, whether in the church or family. I really have lots of doubts, but can&#8217;t find answers.</p>
<p>Recently I have sought for some informations about the matter and found something the first presidency taught some time ago:</p>
<p>&#8220;The First Presidency has interpreted oral sex as constituting an unnatural, impure, or unholy practice. If a person is engaged in a practice which troubles him enough to ask about it, he should discontinue it.&#8221;</p>
<p>- Official Declaration of the First Presidency of the Church, January 5th, 1982</p>
<p>I heard that it was unvalidated 9 months later. I would like to know if you can help me to have correct information about it. If you don&#8217;t feel like providing answers on this blog, please, email me: <a href="mailto:caehevanras@yahoo.com.br">caehevanras@yahoo.com.br</a></p>
<p>Thanks a lot.</p>
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		<title>By: caehevanras</title>
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		<dc:creator>caehevanras</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 21 Sep 2009 17:42:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: marman</title>
		<link>http://strengtheningmarriage.com/blog/marriage/the-good-girl-syndrome#comment-1728</link>
		<dc:creator>marman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 21 Sep 2009 02:18:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thank you for a great website, and I look forward to reading more of the postings and opinions.  I think a lot of women--and men--are torn between viewing women as dependent or the modern-day view that women can be the aggressor too----creating a lot of confusion without relationships, not only regarding sex, but just about everything else.  

www.themarriagemanager.com</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thank you for a great website, and I look forward to reading more of the postings and opinions.  I think a lot of women&#8211;and men&#8211;are torn between viewing women as dependent or the modern-day view that women can be the aggressor too&#8212;-creating a lot of confusion without relationships, not only regarding sex, but just about everything else.  </p>
<p><a href="http://www.themarriagemanager.com" rel="nofollow">http://www.themarriagemanager.com</a></p>
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		<title>By: HappyLDSWifeMom</title>
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		<dc:creator>HappyLDSWifeMom</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 09 Sep 2009 14:18:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Krista,

I appreciate you making the effort to look up &quot;Chaste&quot; in older dictionaries. I get really frustrated over lack of information at times and it helps when I put in the indepth study to learn meanings. As frustrating as it is at times, I believe that is the way the Lord intended it to be, so we will stretch and learn.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Krista,</p>
<p>I appreciate you making the effort to look up &#8220;Chaste&#8221; in older dictionaries. I get really frustrated over lack of information at times and it helps when I put in the indepth study to learn meanings. As frustrating as it is at times, I believe that is the way the Lord intended it to be, so we will stretch and learn.</p>
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